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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve recently returned from DrupalCon Denver 2012 and had some thoughts I wanted to share about the conference and the state of the Drupal Community. I&#8217;ve been a long-time fan...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://krynsky.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/drupalcon_2012.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-42956" style="margin: 5px;" title="drupalcon_2012" src="http://krynsky.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/drupalcon_2012.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="148" /></a>I&#8217;ve recently returned from <a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org" target="_blank">DrupalCon Denver 2012</a> and had some thoughts I wanted to share about the conference and the state of the Drupal Community. I&#8217;ve been a long-time fan of Drupal and became very acquainted with the system back in 2007 when I migrated the <a href="http://www.xprize.org" target="_blank">X PRIZE Foundation</a> website from static html to Drupal 5 (version at the time). It wasn&#8217;t a very user friendly CMS and it took me quite some time to get the hang of it, but once I did it was clear how flexible and powerful the system was.</p>
<p><strong>The Similarities between the WordPress and Drupal Communities</strong></p>
<p>Before I began using Drupal I was a longtime WordPress user. I still use WordPress to power my personal websites (including this one). I love both of these open source projects and often get asked which one to use and the answer is still the same it was back in 2007. It depends on what your site is for. For most people who just need a blog or a very simple website I still often recommend WordPress. But if you need a website that requires deep permission levels, commerce, sophisticated caching, and more complex functionality, I recommend Drupal. This is just a high level recommendation and by gleaning more into a sites&#8217; requirements it becomes easier to recommend one or the other.</p>
<p>The evolution of WordPress and Drupal have gone in somewhat similar directions. They both started as open source projects. The founders of both of these projects have created for profit company&#8217;s based on their open source software. Matt Mullenweg of WordPress created <a href="http://automattic.com/" target="_blank">Automattic</a> and Dries Buytaert founded <a href="http://www.acquia.com" target="_blank">Acquia</a>. Both companies have also created free hosted versions, as well as fully managed business service versions of their software. Automattic created <a href="http://wordpress.com/" target="_blank">WordPress.com</a> and Acquia created <a href="http://www.drupalgardens.com/" target="_blank">DrupalGardens</a>. Both projects also host &#8220;Cons&#8221; and or &#8220;Camps&#8221; throughout the year were users gather together to share information and help further their respective projects. I just wanted to point out some of these similarities between both of these companies and how their for profit arms have also been instrumental in helping insure the health of their projects. Both Automattic and Acquia also do a great job of contributing back to their open source communities.</p>
<p><strong>Acquia&#8217;s Mission and Roadmap Towards Improving Drupal</strong></p>
<p>So back to DrupalCon. I went into this year&#8217;s DrupalCon focused on the ways that I can extend the platform to help enable people to more easily create and publish content across our websites. The areas that specifically have been challenging are setting up simple wysiwyg interfaces both for page creation and media asset management, publishing workflows for multiple members on a team, and the ability to publish content between staging and production environments. Our current methods for these have pain points and I was on a mission to find ways to improve them and look to what the future of Drupal had in store to address these issues. Beyond my needs in these areas, I also feel that they are obstacles for other people who are potential users of Drupal.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://bcove.me/31qginbd" target="_blank">first keynote at DrupalCon</a> by Dries spent time focusing on weaknesses in Drupal and specifically 3 things the community needs to focus on what he referred to as &#8220;A rudimentary authoring experience&#8221;. In a nutshell this referred to to several elements that require work to improve the usability of Drupal for content creators and site publishers. Some other key takeaways from the talk are that <a href="http://symfony.com/" target="_blank">Symfony</a> will be used for the framework in Drupal 8 and mobile needs to be addressed much better. This seems to already be in motion as there was no shortage of talks on <a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org/search/node/responsive%20design" target="_blank">responsive web design</a> at DrupalCon. Dries&#8217; keynote was the beginning of a pattern I saw emerge from many Acquia employees that spoke on panels at DrupalCon.  They continued to echo and elaborate on Dries&#8217; thoughts about what they need to work on to ensure the successful future of Drupal.</p>
<p><em>Click the slides below taken from the keynote</em></p>
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<p><strong>Acquia Employee Talks at Drupalcon</strong></p>
<p>The first talk I saw along this theme was with <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/webchick" target="_blank">Angie Byron</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/chrisstrahl" target="_blank">Chris Strahl</a> titled &#8220;<a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org/content/five-things-we-need-create-awesome-experience-content-creators" target="_blank">Five things we need to create an awesome experience for content creators</a>&#8221; which focused on the following issues:</p>
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<li>Authoring and editing for multiple (mobile) devices</li>
<li>Media management and content repositories</li>
<li>Content staging and publish / subscribe models</li>
<li>Page layouts and authoring tools</li>
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<p>The talk covered how they had done research around usability among competing CMS platforms from a content creator standpoint. They showed how many of these features are handled on 4 competing systems including <a href="http://www.squiz.co.uk/" target="_blank">Squiz</a>, <a href="http://plone.org/" target="_blank">Plone,</a> <a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/cq/web-content-management.html" target="_blank">CQ5</a>, and <a href="http://beta.sqsp.com/" target="_blank">Squarespace</a>(v6 beta). They demo&#8217;d each of these 4 competing systems and showed where they excel over Drupal with the features and ease of site content creation and editing. In the end they plead their case to the development community to look at these systems and find ways to implement many of the usability improvements within Drupal in the near future as they ready Drupal 8 for release next year.</p>
<p>Another talk I attended was with <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/amazonk" target="_blank">Kieran Lal</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/bjaspan" target="_blank">Barry Jaspan</a>. The approach of their talk was from a startup perspective on how Acquia was born and they provided many insights. They <a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org/program/sessions/do-you-know-what-your-customers-really-want-really" target="_blank">discussed the challenges encountered</a> along with the multiple pivots from the original Acquia business model concept. They began by providing simple Drupal hosting solutions and evolved over time into a much more robust managed hosting platform for Drupal. What I liked about this talk is how Acquia has been nimble in learning what the needs of the customer base they&#8217;re trying to attract and how they&#8217;ve shifted their business model to accommodate them. Many nuggets of wisdom here for startup entrepreneurs can be gleaned from <a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org/program/sessions/do-you-know-what-your-customers-really-want-really" target="_blank">their talk</a>. Acquia now has a <a href="http://www.acquia.com/customers" target="_blank">very impressive list of clients</a> that they can service much better.</p>
<p>Then I went to see <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/batsonjay" target="_blank">Jay Batson</a> do <a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org/program/sessions/thinking-big-assembling-drupal-web-experience-management-powerhouse" target="_blank">a talk</a> that was similar with regards to the first one by Angie and Chris except it was done more as a first person view from the eyes of a site publisher. You can learn more about the profile of the &#8220;advanced content creator&#8221; role he describes <a href="http://groups.drupal.org/node/183784" target="_blank">here</a>. He explains how the term &#8220;Web Engagement Management&#8221; is starting to trump CMS and is now being used to describe the overall feature-set associated with the users that fill these content production roles. These features are now essential to people who continually create and manage the content for websites. More and more it&#8217;s the marketing department that owns the responsibility of websites and are now the decision makers for web platforms. This is a switch from years ago when IT would own that decision making process. So the critical motive behind all of this is to make sure that the marketing and site content departments needs are met by Drupal moving forward.</p>
<p>The sum of all of these talks by Acquia left me very impressed. They are uncovering the major issues potential clients are stating as they try to sell Drupal and formulating a plan to solve them. By rallying the community around these issues, I feel that they are focused and have a plan to continue being competitive and mature based on the needs of today&#8217;s site publishers.</p>
<p><strong>Other DrupalCon Highlights</strong></p>
<p>The &#8220;<a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org/program/sessions/how-build-scalable-platform-todays-publishers" target="_blank">How to build a scalable platform for today&#8217;s publishers</a>&#8221; talk by <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/dickolsson" target="_blank">Dick Olsson</a> was another stellar talk I found to be extremely helpful with my goals of learning about better methods for content and site publishing. Dick provided a case study and recipe for the modules and methods he&#8217;s been using to build out sites for Al Jazeera. He needs to accommodate massive traffic and the ability to publish content quickly in a very intricate caching environment. You can watch his talk regarding those issues, but my focus was more on how he uses <a href="http://drupal.org/project/workbench" target="_blank">Workbench</a>, <a href="http://drupal.org/project/deploy" target="_blank">Deploy</a>, and <a href="http://drupal.org/project/panels" target="_blank">Panels</a> modules  to effectively manage content workflow and publishing. It was a good talk that showed how these tools can all be used in conjunction very well. I also <a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org/program/sessions/whats-new-panels-universe" target="_blank">saw a talk on Panels</a> showing some great new usability features coming soon.</p>
<p>I attended several of the BoF (Birds of a Feather) talks along the content publisher theme and got a lot out of the &#8220;<a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org/bof/support-content-creators#comment-3629" target="_blank">Support the Content Creators</a>&#8221; talk that was run by <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/lz411" target="_blank">Melissa Anderson</a>. Lots of great discussion and sharing of tools and practices which were captured in a great <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aw0XCIea6HifFj_nYSDjCv2JPiIvexb77F2Smd7TvPQ/edit" target="_blank">notes doc</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/webbykat" target="_blank">Kat</a>.</p>
<p>I love watching case studies from the ground up where an agency covers every step of a web development project with a client. The folks at <a href="http://treehouseagency.com/" target="_blank">Treehouse Agency</a> are excellent at telling these stories. I really enjoyed how they provided the under the hood <a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org/program/sessions/zagatcom-case-study" target="_blank">details of their approach and tools</a> used to rebuild the Zagat.com website. They also <a href="http://denver2012.drupal.org/program/sessions/story-energygov-ins-and-outs-turning-energy-dot-blah-energy-dot-awesome" target="_blank">did a talk </a>on their work to relaunch Energy.gov on Drupal which I didn&#8217;t see at DrupalCon but was able to see a more in depth Drupal implementation of the Energy.gov project at <a href="http://2011.badcamp.net/" target="_blank">BadCamp</a> last year. Here&#8217;s <a href="http://treehouseagency.com/blog/roger-lopez/2011/10/22/badcamp-energygov-case-study" target="_blank">the slide deck</a> from that presentation.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Well there you have it. I see nothing but clear blue skies ahead for Drupal.</p>
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		<title>Highlights from DrupalCamp LA 2008</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I&#8217;ve been an active Drupal user now for about a year and a half. It all started when I managed the migration of the X PRIZE Foundation websites to...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-350" title="drupalcampla_2008" src="http://krynsky.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/drupalcampla_2008.png" alt="" width="151" height="169" />So I&#8217;ve been an active <a href="http://drupal.org">Drupal </a>user now for about a year and a half. It all started when I managed the migration of the <a href="http://www.xprize.org/" target="_blank">X PRIZE Foundation</a> websites to Drupal. Very early on in that process I knew that I had come across a very special software platform and I continue to be amazed by it all the time.</p>
<p>In February of this year I discovered the <a href="http://ladrupal.org/" target="_blank">LA Drupal User Group</a>. It&#8217;s true what they say, Drupal is all about its community which I&#8217;ve now directly experienced the benefits of having attended several meetings and becoming friends with some great people. In my attempt to contribute <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/krynsky/x-prize-foundation-case-study" target="_blank">I did a case study presentation</a> describing the detailed Drupal work I&#8217;ve done for X PRIZE.</p>
<p>This great Drupal community in LA provided me with exciteful anticipation to attend my first <a href="http://drupalcampla.com/" target="_blank">DrupalCamp LA</a>. Also knowing it was being managed by <a href="http://chrischarlton.us/" target="_blank">Chris Charlton</a> and <a href="http://www.cleverclevergirl.com/" target="_blank">Crystal Williams</a> from the LA User Group only re-assured in my mind that it would be great.</p>
<p>This second year saw nice growth. There were over 430 registered users for the event. I was only able to attend for Day 1 but I can definitely say that in just the time I was there, the information I learned, and people I met was fantastic. I also got to have discussions with several Drupalers throughout the day. Below are some of the highlights for me and other details from the event.</p>
<p><strong>Keynote</strong></p>
<p>Opening session included presentations from <a href="http://www.workhabit.com/users/jonathan" target="_blank">Jonathan Lambert</a> of <a href="http://www.workhabit.com/" target="_blank">Workhabit</a> and <a href="http://association.drupal.org/blog/67" target="_blank">Kieran Lal</a> of <a href="http://acquia.com/" target="_blank">Acquia</a>. They discussed the current state of Drupal and plans for growth into the future while evangelizing and showing their passion for this great open source platform we love. You can see a few notes taken from Viktor Kane <a href="http://awebfactory.com.ar/node/334" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Kieran also discussed the Drupal.org redesign project and urged users to visit the <a href="http://flickr.com/groups/drupalredesign" target="_blank">Flickr group</a> to submit their design ideas. He also mentioned <a href="http://www.disambiguity.com/" target="_blank">Leisa Reichelt&#8217;s involvement</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Building APIs for Modules</strong></p>
<p>I was able to catch some of this presentation where <a href="http://kalsey.com/blog/" target="_blank">Adam Kalsey</a> of <a href="http://www.workhabit.com/" target="_blank">Workhabit</a> walked us through how he created the <a href="http://drupal.org/project/activitystream" target="_blank">Activity Stream</a> module. I didn&#8217;t know Adam had written this and was a bit floored as I&#8217;ve become pretty passionate about Lifestreaming and have dedicated a site to it at the <a href="http://lifestreamblog.com">Lifestream Blog</a>. Adam&#8217;s module adds Lifestreaming functionality to Drupal by pulling data via API calls from several web services like Twitter, Delicious, and Last.fm</p>
<p>This was actually the second time I had seen Adam give a presentation as he provided a <a href="http://drupal-la.blip.tv/#1052465" target="_blank">Scaling Drupal presentation at the LA Drupal User Group</a> a few months prior to this. He&#8217;s a top notch speaker who exudes knowledge and enthusiasm and I&#8217;m already greatful having learned plenty from him. I highly recommend you catch him speak if you get a chance.</p>
<p>Slideshow for the session is available <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/akalsey/drupal-module-apis-presentation" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Using Open Source tools for Open Source Development</strong></p>
<p>This session was run by <a href="http://groups.drupal.org/user/1324" target="_blank">Mike Stewart</a> whom I often see at the LA Drupal User Group. He provided demos of several open source tools he uses for Drupal development. This included using Ubuntu for his OS, and several other tools including <a href="http://www.geany.org/" target="_blank">Geany</a> and <a href="http://scribes.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">Scribes</a>. But the coolest thing for me was that he had wrapped all of these into an image using the open source virtualization package VirtualBox. I have used VMWare but wasn&#8217;t familiar with <a href="http://www.virtualbox.org/" target="_blank">VirtualBox</a> and was very happy to learn about it.</p>
<p>Mike was planning on providing a Virtualbox Ubuntu image that included all the tools he showed but I haven&#8217;t seen it yet. I will add a link if I do come across it.</p>
<p><strong>Tuning for Scale and Performance</strong></p>
<p>The presentation so good the first time I saw it I figured I&#8217;d watch it again and see if I absorb anything more. This was led by Adam Kalsey but also on the panel was Jonathan Lambert and <a href="http://www.workhabit.com/users/aaron" target="_blank">Aaron Stewart</a> of Workhabit. For the most part I had paid attention the first time but got some additional recommendations such as:</p>
<ul>
<li> Using <a href="http://xcache.lighttpd.net/" target="_blank">XCache</a> for Opcode caching</li>
<li><a href="http://jakarta.apache.org/jmeter/" target="_blank">Jmeter</a> for load testing</li>
<li><a href="http://www.xdebug.org/" target="_blank">Xdebug</a> for testing code performance</li>
<li>Using the <a href="http://drupal.org/project/boost" target="_blank">Boost</a> &amp; <a href="http://drupal.org/project/blockcache" target="_blank">Block Cache</a> Modules</li>
</ul>
<p><strong><strong>Scaling Drupal:</strong> Drupal on the Cloud</strong></p>
<p>Also hosted by Adam Kalsey (ok starting to feel like I&#8217;m a groupie) where he discussed Cloud computing and how to host Drupal in the cloud. Coming into this I had very little knowledge in this area and was just vaguely familiar with Amazon Web Services but once again Adam provided a good intro whiched helped me get a better understanding of how it works. I was pretty intrigued by the setup and how it works but I&#8217;m not so sure most IT departments are ready to start adopting it on a large scale. I do see it as the future and it&#8217;s just a matter of time before more companies start moving to this model instead of investing in large hardware deployments and the management that goes with them. I&#8217;m hoping I can learn more about Cloud computing and dip my toe in soon.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/akalsey/drupal-clouds-presentation" target="_blank">Here&#8217;s the slideshow presentation</a> from this session. Workhabit also has a good post on Drupal running on Amazon&#8217;s EC2 <a href="http://www.workhabit.com/labs/drupal-ami" target="_blank">here</a>. In that post Workhabit provides us with a test image we can play with Drupal on in EC2 as well.</p>
<p>Along with VirtualBox and Amazon&#8217;s EC2, virtualization was definitely a theme I see making big strides in the years to come.</p>
<p><strong><strong>Other Sessions</strong></strong></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t go to any of the Designer/Theming sessions but I heard great things about those presentations. There were also many new and curious users that came which were treated to some good intro sessions which showed them the power and flexibility of the system for several niche sites. I&#8217;m also bummed I didn&#8217;t see <a href="http://blackrimglasses.com/" target="_blank">Ethan Kaplan&#8217;s</a> case study on the Metallica site.</p>
<p><strong>Other Related Stuff from DrupalCamp LA</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.workhabit.com/labs/amazon-aws-drupal-drupalcampla" target="_blank">Amazon AWS &amp; Drupal at DrupalCampLA Video Presentation</a></li>
<li><a href="http://boldsource.com/articles/drupalcampla-presentations" target="_blank">Post from Blake Lucchesi</a> of BoldSource about his presentations</li>
<li>I wish I could have seen the <a href="http://stevenchan.us/weblog/2008/09/designing-social-networking-site" target="_blank">Designing social networking sites with Drupal</a> session<a href="http://stevenchan.us/weblog/2008/09/designing-social-networking-site" target="_blank"><br />
</a></li>
<li>The <a href="http://su2c.standup2cancer.org/" target="_blank">Stand Up to Cancer</a> site was built in Drupal and they had a representative</li>
<li><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/event/drupalcampla-2008/slideshows" target="_blank">Slideshows from many of the sessions<br />
</a></li>
<li><a href="http://twemes.com/drupalcampla" target="_blank">Twitter chatter from the event</a></li>
<li><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/tags/drupalcampla2008/interesting/" target="_blank">Photos of event on Flickr</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Well that&#8217;s it folks. I really look forward to next year! In the meantime you can catch me often hanging out on IRC at #drupal-la on irc.freenode.net or just go to <a href="http://drupalchat.net" target="_blank">Drupalchat.net</a></p>
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